12 April 2008 @ 10:01 pm
4x04, 'Six Of One' - Episode Review (And Picspam!  
Alright, I cannot delay any longer. Here's the review of last night's episode, with pictures and quotes for your entertainment.

Image heavy and shipper heavy! Bewaaaaare.

I'm just going to start off with a word about the ep's writer, Michael Angeli. It's pretty interesting, actually, because the guy gets kinda massacred on places like TWOP for being far and away the worst BSG writer. And when you consider 'The Woman King'....alright, fine. A lot of people seem to think he's far too literal with his dialogue, and that characters often say things in ways that people, well, don't. That was one of the criticisms of 'The Son Also Rises', but it was still considered a solid episode because of the stellar performances. Seems like it's the same sort of situation here, and maybe I was just so blown away by the actors that some of the clunky dialogue didn't really bother me all that much. Ironically, the Kara/Lee scene (to be discussed in much more depth below) was beautifully subtle, so maybe Angeli just has trouble with certain characters? And even so, I have to admit that sometimes I like the characters saying what they're actually thinking once in a while. So I liked this one quite a lot.

Kay, enough babbling about that. Onto the episode itself...

Kara/Roslin Showdown

This may be the most intense scene of the series so far. IMO it was another Emmy moment for Katee, but I'm biased. I'm amazed that the poor girl did that much screaming and didn't lose her voice (that we know of). And when you're doing a scene like that, you better be damn good at what you do or you can so easily fall into the realm of overacting. Katee walked that line amazingly well, to the point where I felt very uncomfortable but wasn't taken out of the moment. It was bizarre.

First, I totally called the fact that Kara was going to turn her gun over to Roslin and say, "Shoot me". And despite the promos, I still don't think I quite believed that ROSLIN WOULD ACTUALLY SHOOT. Holy crap. Madame President, you're on my list! >:( Thank goodness, she misses at close range (thank you, diloxin) and shoots a picture of her and Adama instead. Alright, one mark off for lack of subtlety there, Angeli.

I was so thrilled to hear Kara call Laura out on her hypocrisy. I know some people will disagree with me for using that term, but I'm sticking to my guns. Kara risked her ass because she believed in the president's VISION, and here is Kara saying she saw Earth with her own two eyes. Why can't Laura make that same leap of faith in return? Is a return from supposed death really all that more bizarre and suspicious than hallucinations and following scripture as though it were literal? Is she unwilling to give Kara a chance because she's desperate to protect the fleet, or because she can't bear the thought of her death not having a purpose?





What was absolutely heartbreaking in this scene though and amazingly delivered by Sackhoff was Kara really just plainly stating why she's fighting so strongly for this:

"I've put my life on the line for this frakkin' ship. I have ate, slept, and fought next to the people that I love. I have pissed off my friends, I have broken more rules than I've followed! I frakked up! OK, I messed up! But it's all that I have. Those people are my family - and none of us belong here."

Wow. Here, Kara is basically summing herself up in a nutshell. She's fucking loyal. She's the hotshot pilot whose high-wire stunts have saved the fleet several times over, who fights tooth and nail to protect her loved ones. And yet in the same turn she's again acknowledging that she thinks of herself as a screw-up, a cancer, someone who has hurt the people that she loves time and again. But in her mind she's been given a chance to try and rectify that. She can find them a new home, a new future. Maybe she can be more than just Starbuck. Maybe Kara Thrace and her Special Destiny isn't just the name of a bad cover band.

 

But really when you think about it, are Kara and Roslin's motivations for sticking so strongly to their guns all that different? They're both looking for validation, for a sign that they're meant for something greater. Maybe they're both going the wrong way.

****

New Divisions: The Cylons

"Transformation is the goal. They will not harm their own."



I'm really not very interested in the cylon/basestar stuff to be honest with you, so I won't have too much to say about it. It's a little too "sci-fi" for me and tends to take me out of the realism that I feel surrounds the Galactica. I did want to comment briefly on the Hybrid, though. Most of the thoughts on her babbling from the ep have focused on the words, "They will not harm their own" and it seems like most people have assumed that's a reference to the raiders choosing not to harm the Final Five (i.e. The raider that flipped around and called off the attack after identifying Sam). However, my initial take on those words was that she was talking about the Final Five not harming their own. Sam, Tyrol, Anders, and Tory won't harm the humans.

I could be pulling that out of my ass, but there you go.

Also pretty interesting are the new alliances we have developing here. But also seems like they're pretty obvious. The more traditionalist/religious models are on one side while the pragmatic/practical/coldblooded? models are on the other. I like Natalie so far, but I thinks she's dangerous at the same time. Another religious fanatic, methinks.



****

Kara and The Admiral

"I saw Earth! The shape of it, the smell of it, the-the feel of it on my skin, in my pores and I swear to you it was like I'd been there before. Like I never left."





What a heart-wrenching description from Kara. How can you doubt what she's saying when she seems to remember her journey so vividly? 

Adama: You're too stupid to figure out you just screwed over the one ally you had. You didn't have the guts...to hold on. Tell me, who's gonna help you?
Kara: Yeah, frak me, huh? Sure as hell isn't gonna be you.







OK, this scene was harsh. I mentioned this on TWOP I think, but it was almost like it was the completion of the scene from Act of Contrition, wasn't it? At least it had some major echoes from that scene, with each word that comes out of Kara's mouth building the tension coming off Adama in waves except unlike the S1 episode where he tells her to leave before he freaks the fuck out, this one does culminate with him freaking the fuck out. Seems like she struck a serious nerve with that wet nurse remark, hmm? I can't believe he threw her down like that, and it sounded like he hit her head against the floor before he got up to leave. I hope not. 





"Nice to know you still care, Admiral". GAH!

But yeah, another example of Sackhoff being amazing. She starts to laugh/cry, almost hysterical, at the absurdity of the situation. How the hell is it possible that this man she's considered a father is staring at her like he wishes she were still dead? Incredible scene.



****

The Final Four and Baltar

"She's crazy as a latrine rat. If anything, she's more like Starbuck than ever!"




What's very cool about this scene is that our Dylan Four are pretty obviously convinced that Kara is not a cylon, and yet to save their own asses they're choosing to keep the fingers pointed at her. Tigh says she's too nuts to not be Kara, and Tory acknowledges that she didn't join their Watchtower party and concludes that they're still missing one. I understand their fear, considering how Kara's being treated, but it's also very disappointing to see characters that have history with Starbuck (Sam in particular, obviously) letting her take the fall so they can stay in hiding. It certainly makes a lot of sense, though.



Tory: There is no way.
Tigh: You don't have to get on your back for him, but...
Tory: Oh, gee,
thanks.



I'm really beginning to get my hate-on back for Tigh. Especially with his implication that Tory get down and dirty with Baltar so that they could get some information. Ugh.

And while we're on the subject of Baltar, that sex scene with Tory was kind of hysterical because I completely flashed back to Kobol's Last Gleaming. Gaius must be horrible in bed! But it was also pretty shocking to see those two together. Nice turn of events, though I also didn't expect Tory to be swayed so easily by preaches of the One True God. She always struck me as an atheist.

Baltar on Baltar was also hilarious. James Callis really does rock my socks, even when his storylines kind of bore me.



****

The Pilot Party




Overall, I'm not a fan of this scene because it was just way too strange going from Kara screaming on the brig floor to the pilots having a grand ol' time playing strip triad and doing shots. Especially considering that Adama, Lee, Helo, and Sam were all there laughing it up. Do not like. So to help me not get pulled out of the plot, I will agree with fellow shippers that those closest to Kara have already been made aware that Adama's planning to send her on her own mission to look for Earth. Doesn't exactly fit with the sequence of events, I know, but just let me have this delusion please.



Though I did really love that Lee was the one to bring up Kara, though not by name. He starts off his toast all cute and happy!drunk, but quickly turns solemn and holds up his glass: "To absent friends". Wonderful touch having Adama stare at a photo of Lee and Kara from back in Hand of God. It was fitting, because there was something very familial about that scene with the three of them and the lighter (from Adama) and the cigar (from Kara but originally from Adama), and it's all connected. You get what I'm saying, right? Oh, Family Adama. Plz get yer shit together, kthx!







****

The Parents

I usually like Roslin/Adama scenes quite a bit, but I absolutely loved this one. The acting was phenomenal for one, and I actually loved the non-subtlety of the dialogue. What I found almost amusing was that the way the two interact at the beginning of the scene was kind of reflective of Kara's description of their relationship. Adama comes off as kind of wrapped around Laura's little finger. He's puttering around like a drunk and she speaks to him almost as though he were a child, "You gonna keep waltzin' or you gonna sit down and talk? What's goin' on? Sit!" I'm probably reading too much into it, but that's how it came off to me.





When they get to the heart of the matter, Adama basically calls her on her shit and I kinda love him for it:

Laura: You're so afraid to live alone.
Adama: And you're afraid to die that way. You're afraid that you may not be the dying leader you thought you'd be. Or that your death may be as meaningless as everyone else's.





And the amazing thing? After he said that and Laura broke down? I felt so much for her and I HATE THAT. Damn you, Mary McDonnell!

****

Kara and Lee and The Kiss of Destiny

I....don't think I can even describe how much I loved this scene. I think it may be my favouritest favourite. I think it's definitely my new favourite kiss. But let's start from the beginning.

Can I just mention the fact that Kara's demeanor is completely different when she's around Lee than with anyone else?? When they pan in on her face as he walks into the cell, she has this adoring, sweet expression. She actually looks kinda peaceful, which is pretty much a miracle given what's going on.







And the easy way these two interact with each other...they're just being themselves. She teases him and he tells her to shut the frak up. It's absolutely perfect. And Jamie is so good at selling the lost-little-boy look for Lee, the way he folds his ankles and looks at his shoes. Nice touch.

Lee: Besides, I never really could say no to anything.
Kara: Except me.
Lee: Especially you.





Oh, Kara. I hope you really and truly understand what he's saying there. And judging by your expression I think you do. The entire rest of this scene hits this really sad and bittersweet tone and IT HURTS SO GOOD. 







I love that she smiles when he says he finally gets what she meant about destiny, because she knows Lee and she knows how big of a statement that is for him. And then she gets up and once again shows how much she's grown up, and there's echoes from Maelstrom:

Kara: Good luck on your journey, Lee Adama.
Lee: ...You too, Kara Thrace.





What's fascinating is that neither is quite sure where they stand with each other in that moment. Kara goes for the handshake because she still doesn't get how much has changed for Lee in the two months since she's been gone, and she feels like it was just yesterday that they were talking underneath her viper about how they're right back where they started. What she's really saying when she holds out her hand is, "I love you, Lee Adama, and I'm letting you go."



I've seen some interesting commentary on why they use their full names here. I love the interpretation that they're finally letting go of "Apollo" and "Starbuck" but a part of me wonders if maybe they're acknowledging that they never really were those people to begin with. They've always been so much more than those callsigns. They've always been Lee and Kara.





Anyway, back to the handshake. Which Lee returns sadly, because he's still not quite sure where he stands with her, either. At least in this case they both know and are accepting of how they feel themselves, even though they're reluctant to admit it to each other. But they hold hands for a few beats, and neither wants to let go but they do and there's this stinging goodbye between them as Lee turns to go with one last look at Kara, a sad/sweet smile on his face.







But she's been barely holding it together throughout the entire scene and suddenly she's overcome with this terror at the thought of him leaving and she knows she shouldn't but she calls out for him, steps toward him, and he pauses. And her face breaks because she just doesn't know what to say or how to say it, but Lee knows and he gives her the affirmation that she's craving (and goodness knows he needed that moment of connection just as much).





What's so great about their kiss is that, even though there's not much of a focus on their lips and the freakin' camera is focused more on the back of Bamber's head and shoulders (damn you, mister director!) you can feel that passion and desperation between them.







And I honestly can't even describe the happy tingles I get when he kisses her all over her face, her temple and pulls her in and whispers, "I believe you."  The LOOK on her face, OMG. Indescribably beautiful. There are so many conflicting emotions at play and she's so torn up inside, and so overcome with feeling  at his actions and words, but by the end of that scene she looks like she's at peace if only for a moment, and what greater gift could Lee give her than that?









A lot of people have been talking about whether this scene was "closure" and a "goodbye" and in many ways, yes, it was. Maybe neither of them believes they have even a chance of having a future together. But really, that wasn't the point of this scene. All you need to know when watching them here is that they have reaffirmed their bond and the fact that they love each other unconditionally. That's all that matters.



Thank you, Katee and Jamie, for an awesome freakin' scene! And a big shoutout must go out to the master, Bear McCreary, who put together some absolutely incredible score music here. Just amped it up another 10 notches for me.

****

Lee Says Goodbye to the Big G

"Well, it looks like you got the house."




I liked this scene just fine, and I don't know why everyone's bitching about it. He deserves to get some freakin' praise for once! My poor emo kid. Let him have his moment! It was sweet, and sad and HOLY HALLELUJAH LEE/DEE IS OVER. Ehem. Sorry, erm, my caps lock button was uh...stuck.

And yes, it does bug me that Lee's leaving the ship while Kara's still in the brig, so I am fanwanking that he's taking this plushy government job in part to help Kara out of her precarious situation, and to make sure that she's got friends in high places.



****

Kara Thrace and Her Special Destiny Goes On Tour

I think the fact that I obviously knew Kara wasn't going to be airlocked made me less receptive to the fact that they were trying to play that last scene in that way. And I really didn't understand until Kara said it out loud that she essentially thought she was on her death march, but it definitely explains the stink eye she gives Helo, hmm?



It was still a wonderful final scene, though, and I love the look Starbuck gives the Admiral when he signals the marine to uncuff her. So great. The hug, I thought, was a bit lacking on Adama's side, which I'm thinking is an indication that he's still not completely sold on the idea that she's telling the truth. He's just acknowledging the fact that he can't lose her, regardless.



This should be interesting, folks! And I'd love to hear your thoughts on the episode.

[+] awesome caps from the even more awesome [info]starpollo!

 
 
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anna[info]annaalamode on April 13th, 2008 03:38 am (UTC)
Thank you so much for the picspam! PILOTICIANS IN LOVE.
Jo: bliss [kara/lee][info]canadiangirl_86 on April 13th, 2008 04:28 am (UTC)
DUDE my love for them knows no bounds.
Madfrey: BSG - Tigh (OMGs! D;)[info]likeatruck on April 13th, 2008 03:45 am (UTC)
Kara risked her ass because she believed in the president's VISION, and here is Kara saying she saw Earth with her own two eyes. Why can't Laura make that same leap of faith in return?
Agreed.

Katee was amazing this episode. I'm not usually that interested with Kara's plot, but she definitely got my attention today.

And Jamie is so good at selling the lost-little-boy look for Lee, the way he folds his ankles and looks at his shoes. Nice touch.
Lee was Goddamn adorable. :3

By no means am I a Lee/Dee 'shipper, but I was really pleased with their little bit. I think it's important that their relationship was recognised in some way rather than swept under the rug. Closure, yay! :D
Jo: coming home kiss [kara/lee][info]canadiangirl_86 on April 13th, 2008 04:29 am (UTC)

By no means am I a Lee/Dee 'shipper, but I was really pleased with their little bit. I think it's important that their relationship was recognised in some way rather than swept under the rug. Closure, yay!


Oh, I absolutely agree with you. It was a very well done scene, but I'm definitely thankful that they have some semblance of finality to their relationship.
patron saint of neglected female characters: gaius-gaius otp[info]rose_griffes on April 13th, 2008 03:57 am (UTC)
Hi! *randomly pops in from friendsfriends list*

What's very cool about this scene is that our Dylan Four are pretty obviously convinced that Kara is not a cylon, and yet to save their own asses they're choosing to keep the fingers pointed at her.

Um... what exactly are they doing to maintain finger-pointing? That they're not outing themselves as cylons, or something else?

I also didn't expect Tory to be swayed so easily by preaches of the One True God. She always struck me as an atheist.

I'm thinking it's also the fact that he's been with other cylons before, and therefore is 1) more interesting and 2) less likely to judge her harshly if he does know what she is. Plus the whole music speech he does makes her curious about him.

Overall, I'm not a fan of this scene because it was just way too strange going from Kara screaming on the brig floor to the pilots having a grand ol' time playing strip triad and doing shots.

Yes, this scene wasn't necessary.

usually like Roslin/Adama scenes quite a bit, but I absolutely loved this one. The acting was phenomenal for one, and I actually loved the non-subtlety of the dialogue.

I have mixed feelings about their dialogues in this scene because of the, um... lack of subtlety. Heh. But I think both actors did amazing work, so we agree on that.

I liked this scene just fine, and I don't know why everyone's bitching about it. He deserves to get some freakin' praise for once! My poor emo kid. Let him have his moment!

Aw, I totally agree with you! I liked the good-bye salutes, the tiny moment of closure with Dee, the hug with his Dad. Helo looking tree-like and awesome.

And yes, it does bug me that Lee's leaving the ship while Kara's still in the brig, so I am fanwanking that he's taking this plushy government job in part to help Kara out of her precarious situation, and to make sure that she's got friends in high places.

Heh, go with the fanwank! I was a bit concerned about Lee leaving her in such a tight spot myself. Thankfully that got cleared up before the end of the episode.
Jo: aurora[info]canadiangirl_86 on April 13th, 2008 04:26 am (UTC)
Hello, thar! Welcome to my scattered brain!

Um... what exactly are they doing to maintain finger-pointing? That they're not outing themselves as cylons, or something else?

Pretty much. Because essentially, they're living proof that Kara's not a cylon, aren't they? I realize that I'm asking a lot of them, to out themselves at the risk of being airlocked, but the bar is that high for Sam because he's proven that he'd die for Kara. I certainly understand why the characters are behaving in this way, though, because it's only human. They're still trying to figure out who/what they are.

That's true that Tory probably feels safe with Baltar, considering his history with cylons. Good point.

Helo looking tree-like and awesome.

LOL, when does he not look tree-like? ;)

I was a bit concerned about Lee leaving her in such a tight spot myself. Thankfully that got cleared up before the end of the episode.

If I were Kara, I'd be pretty pissed with my boys, that's all I have to say about that!
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Danny[info]transient_dude on April 13th, 2008 04:31 am (UTC)
I loved the Baltar on Baltar scene too, but one question kept creeping up for me in that scene: is it Caprica's Baltar vision that she's been having?
Jo[info]canadiangirl_86 on April 13th, 2008 05:08 am (UTC)
Oooh, I'm liking that train of thought! It would make sense. But if it is the same head!Baltar, what the hell does that mean? Or does it really matter? Maybe all the head!characters are the same being...
indigo419: KL huggles UB by syliasyliasylia[info]indigo419 on April 13th, 2008 04:32 am (UTC)
A world of yes!

"Transformation is the goal. They will not harm their own."

I'm not very good at spec, but maybe the idea is that humans and Cylons are converging, and so everyone becomes, in effect, "their own"?


almost like it was the completion of the scene from Act of Contrition

sounded like he hit her head against the floor

Love this thought. This time, Kara loses it in front of Papadama. Katee/Kara really sounded broken when she first starts talking. Did you listen to the Cort & Fatboy interview with Katee? She said that EJO told her, "Hold on to me, you're going down!" in that scene.

disappointing to see characters that have history with Starbuck (Sam in particular, obviously) letting her take the fall

Yes, and I agree too that it was weird how Sam, etc. were all jovial and carefree in the going-away party for Lee. I'll buy your handwave on that.

interesting commentary on why they use their full names here.

I took it as each of them taking a step back and seeing not just a friend/lover, but the whole person, Lee Adama, Kara Thrace. It's almost a mythic or literary sendoff - "farewell, Aragorn, son of Arathorn!" *g*

Lee's leaving the ship while Kara's still in the brig

I said to [info]wisteria_ that there's a missing-scene fic in there somewhere - Lee seeking out Papadama and asking him to look after Kara now that he's leaving Galactica, only neither of them can say the words and it's all oblique and painful and stuff. :0)

And I'm so glad you parsed the whole brig!kiss scene... I haven't been able to say much about it, but I keep rewatching it obsessively. It's not my favorite scene visually, because of the stupid blocking you mention, but emotionally it's just - so - gah. "Especially you." And "Lee..." So much, in that one syllable.

This better not be the last of pilots for the (half) season!!

ETA: Oh, and I forgot to say that the handshake in the brig reminded me not so much of Maelstrom but Captain's Hand - "Are we okay?" And just as Kara and Adama rewrite AoC, here, pilots give themselves over to all the feeling between them, instead of resorting to humor to defuse the tension. and now I'm all melty, just thinking about it!

Edited at 2008-04-13 04:46 am (UTC)
Jo: this longing [k/l promo][info]canadiangirl_86 on April 13th, 2008 05:20 am (UTC)
I'm not very good at spec, but maybe the idea is that humans and Cylons are converging, and so everyone becomes, in effect, "their own"?

Ooh, that's some damn fine spec if you ask me! That's certainly the direction the series seems to be heading so it would make sense.

Did you listen to the Cort & Fatboy interview with Katee? She said that EJO told her, "Hold on to me, you're going down!" in that scene.

I did hear that! And it's awesome that the actors have that kind of freedom on set because look at the scene we ended up getting!

Also, EJO's breath smells sweet, like carrots! *G*

I took it as each of them taking a step back and seeing not just a friend/lover, but the whole person, Lee Adama, Kara Thrace. It's almost a mythic or literary sendoff

Lovely thought, and it's certainly a scene about unconditional love, so it's fitting that the way they say each other's names would encompass that feeling.

I said to wisteria_ that there's a missing-scene fic in there somewhere - Lee seeking out Papadama and asking him to look after Kara now that he's leaving Galactica, only neither of them can say the words and it's all oblique and painful and stuff.

Ooh, yes plz! I sense [info]wisteria_/[info]indigo419 collaborative fic... *pleads*

...but I keep rewatching it obsessively.

Yeah, um, for the sake of my reputation as being relatively non-insane I'd rather not admit how many times I've rewatched the scene.

And "Lee..." So much, in that one syllable.

Oh, yes. It was such a significant moment in their relationship, because Kara is calling Lee back for once, and despite the fact that she's still holding so much inside, her feelings are so undeniably clear there. No takebacks.

Oh, and I forgot to say that the handshake in the brig reminded me not so much of Maelstrom but Captain's Hand - "Are we okay?"...pilots give themselves over to all the feeling between them, instead of resorting to humor to defuse the tension.

Absolutely, you're right, I should've mentioned that. They had a very mature reconciliation in CH, interacting in much the same way that they were in 'Maelstrom', but although their eyes have always said so much, I think they're slowly learning that it's OK to be open with your feelings every once in a while. I love how this show constantly parallels past scenes in order to show either growth or regression. It's pretty neat and in keeping with the overall theme of the series.

Edited at 2008-04-13 05:20 am (UTC)
K, Bop or Boppy--take your pick!: Kara can't not[info]bop_radar on April 13th, 2008 04:36 am (UTC)
Oh, Kara. I hope you really and truly understand what he's saying there. And judging by your expression I think you do.
Oh, interesting. That was the one expression I didn't know *what* to make of. I like that you think she understood Lee's inmplications.

What she's really saying when she holds out her hand is, "I love you, Lee Adama, and I'm letting you go."
Oh, Jo! You gutted me all over again with that line. *wibbles* Is that really what she was saying? I guess it is. It's a clear line of continuity from her attitude in Maelstrom. Whereas Lee is totally NOT in the same place as in Maelstrom. Thank goodness!

I honestly can't even describe the happy tingles I get when he kisses her all over her face, her temple and pulls her in and whispers, "I believe you."
I KNOW! They made 'I believe you' an even more beautiful line than 'I love you' and Kara looking so at peace was just beautiful. I wish they'd stayed on it longer.

A lot of people have been talking about whether this scene was "closure" and a "goodbye" and in many ways, yes, it was. Maybe neither of them believes they have even a chance of having a future together. But really, that wasn't the point of this scene. All you need to know when watching them here is that they have reaffirmed their bond and the fact that they love each other unconditionally. That's all that matters.
Oh no, has everyone leapt to that stage already? I guess they have. I'm in denial. ;) It did feel like 'goodbye' but I don't want to think it's the final final end for them. It's too early in the season. I'm grateful that they got this closure at this stage, but I think there's still so much more to chart with these two. And I'm not stupid, I know RDM will have them off on different paths from here, but I will still be seriously disappointed if that's the last pilots scene we get.
Jo: promo [kara/lee][info]canadiangirl_86 on April 13th, 2008 05:28 am (UTC)
That was the one expression I didn't know *what* to make of.

One of the fascinating and frustrating things about this show is that they leave so much ambiguous it's often hard to figure out what was intended. But I do believe that Kara understood, deep down. And if she didn't in that moment she certainly did by the end of the scene!

Whereas Lee is totally NOT in the same place as in Maelstrom. Thank goodness!

So say we all! It's ironic that they're finally in the same place at the same time, and yet there's still something holding them back. At this point, it's the simple fact that they're still unsure about the other's feelings. And, well, they know their paths are diverging right now and they're unsure if they'll be intersecting ever again. :(

But I refuse to believe that! No way is it the END end, but I do worry that this is all we'll be getting for the first half of the season. And I think we all know how long we'll have to wait for the second half....*cries*
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Kim[info]thatonekimgirl on April 13th, 2008 04:55 am (UTC)
"However, my initial take on those words was that she was talking about the Final Five not harming their own. Sam, Tyrol, Anders, and Tory won't harm the humans.

I could be pulling that out of my ass, but there you go."

Oh, I read it exactly the same way. Since the other cylons don't know the Final Five are in the fleet with the humans, though, it makes sense that'd it'd be unclear. I do love the idea that the Final Five's goal is to transform into humans, because they've been living as humans for years without knowing their true nature and it makes sense that that's why they didn't know what they really were. They're not sleepers - they're just trying to become truly human, and they couldn't do that if they knew they were cylons.
Jo: not gonna leave you here [sammy][info]canadiangirl_86 on April 13th, 2008 05:30 am (UTC)
OK, cool, I'm glad I wasn't the only one who interpreted the scene that way!

They're not sleepers - they're just trying to become truly human, and they couldn't do that if they knew they were cylons.

I wonder if the whole point is that they're just as human (or non-human?) as everyone else. We know so little about their nature thus far.
Jules: karalee trust[info]jadengreen36 on April 13th, 2008 05:03 am (UTC)
AWESOME and thank you for posting!
Jo: stay with me [kara/lee][info]canadiangirl_86 on April 13th, 2008 05:30 am (UTC)
My pleasure!!
Caryle: leekarab&w[info]carylerg on April 13th, 2008 05:20 am (UTC)
I'm really beginning to get my hate-on back for Tigh. Especially with his implication that Tory get down and dirty with Baltar so that they could get some information. Ugh.
I'm so glad I'm not the only person feeling this way! The whole thing really creeped the heck out of me. This is the Saul Tight I do not want! Plus, Tory actually sleeping with Gaius felt so abrupt to me. I'm willing to see where it goes, but it was so sudden, IMO.

I....don't think I can even describe how much I loved this scene. I think it may be my favouritest favourite. I think it's definitely my new favourite kiss.
Yes, yes, a thousand times yes! It's so nice to see it articulated more clearly. My reaction in my post was along the lines of jkdl;ajfdka;jfd my brain broke. ;) I hope this isn't the last we'll see of our beloved ship, but this will tide me over for a while.
Jo: worst cag ever![info]canadiangirl_86 on April 13th, 2008 05:32 am (UTC)
Plus, Tory actually sleeping with Gaius felt so abrupt to me. I'm willing to see where it goes, but it was so sudden, IMO.

I agree, and it wasn't entirely clear if she was taking one for the team or if she really was taken with Baltar and wanted to do it of her own free will.

My reaction in my post was along the lines of jkdl;ajfdka;jfd my brain broke.

Mine, too, trust me. =D
Amalia Kensington: [BSG] Kara's destiny of tour[info]amaliak on April 13th, 2008 06:15 am (UTC)
Yey for pic-spam!! I think I really need a cap of Lee looking @ his shoes and standing there looking all bashfully poru od himself.

And damn, that blue sweater killed me. I mean, I'll be having nightmares about it for weeks. Why wardrobe dept? Who's got it out for Bambie? I swear, it must have been a bet. The wardrobe guys sitting around listening to some chick go on about how "Jamie Bamber can make anything look hot!!" and then one of them says: "Wanna bet?"
Oh, my eyes.

And I hope you don't mind, but you inspired my icon.
Thx.
cheers.
--Lex
Jo[info]canadiangirl_86 on April 13th, 2008 07:01 pm (UTC)
Ha! Yeah, the blue shirt was a little unfortunate, I agree. Why would you wear something that baggy when you have pecs/abs of awesomeness under there? I will never understand.

And love the icon! Hee!
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Allison[info]frolicndetour on April 13th, 2008 07:08 am (UTC)
And even so, I have to admit that sometimes I like the characters saying what they're actually thinking once in a while.

*G* Yeah, I can see that. And I think this was MUCH better than TSAR, even writing-wise.

However, my initial take on those words was that she was talking about the Final Five not harming their own.

I hadn't thought of that, though I really like this theory. Obviously. ;)

Re: Roslin: *disagrees* ;) Well, not entirely. I just don't think we can discount how powerful the returning from the dead=cylon thing is. Plus, the visions Laura has *experienced*, that tell her she's the DL. And I think Adama was right, that it was doubt that "frakked with her aim." After all, Angeli gave him the last word and the man is not a master of subtlety. Picture = *headdesk*

The Adama-attack was ad-libbed by Olmos on set, and not only did he hit Kara's head on the floor, he hit Katee's head on the floor for reals too. :/ He was just in the moment, or so I heard. Hazard pay! ;)

Predictably, I really disagree about the D4 selling Kara out. Because think about it: say they go to the Admiral and the President, convince them they're Cylons. "Why are you telling us this?" "Well, because we know - we just know - that Kara Thrace is not one of us. So you can totally trust her! Do what you will with us, just listen to Kara!" Um. I'm thinking that would be the nail in her metaphorical coffin, right? Reinforce that it's a Cylon trick. I think what they were saying wasn't "Kara's not the 5th, but screw her anyway," but "Kara's not the 5th, so we need to keep looking."

WORD on Tigh pimping Tory. I'm blaming Angeli. ;)

A couple of people have said they thought Tory was an atheist, but she does pray on New Caprica. I mean , everyone prays in stressful situations, but there's some evidence.

Especially considering that Adama, Lee, Helo, and Sam were all there laughing it up. Do not like.

I KNOW. I'm clinging to my scape-goating of Angeli, because otherwise, it looks pretty bad for the characters. I'm with you on loving the send-off for Lee, but they could have cut this scene, imo. And spared me the shirt that proves it IS possible to make JB look bad. One more illusion shattered!

All you need to know when watching them here is that they have reaffirmed their bond and the fact that they love each other unconditionally. That's all that matters.

Oh, what a great way to put it. Beautiful scene. Do you think Kara thought she was going to die, at least possibly? She was so unsurprised when Helo came for her. That's how it seemed to me on rewatch and it makes me even more emo (in a good way.) *sigh*

And yes, it does bug me that Lee's leaving the ship while Kara's still in the brig, so I am fanwanking that he's taking this plushy government job in part to help Kara out of her precarious situation, and to make sure that she's got friends in high places.

I kinda need to believe that too. If the writers are going to go there, ultimately, I want to be sold. So I'm hanging on to the fact that Lee raises the issue of going into govt work when Adama says that they'll follow Roslin, and confirms that they're shacking up. ;)

Adama did hug her back! And gave Helo a "you hear that? Not losing her again. Watch her back," look. (Heh, thank you, Angeli.) But yeah, not quite enough after the head-bashing. I want anther one!

Great review!
Jo[info]canadiangirl_86 on April 13th, 2008 07:18 pm (UTC)
Well, not entirely. I just don't think we can discount how powerful the returning from the dead=cylon thing is.

No, you're right, that is pretty damning evidence. I guess my point is just that they've come face to face with so many seemingly impossible situations and circumstances that Kara's return shouldn't be all that impossible to conceive of. In a NON-cylon way, I mean. *G*

The Adama-attack was ad-libbed by Olmos on set, and not only did he hit Kara's head on the floor, he hit Katee's head on the floor for reals too.

OK HOLD THE PHONE. Are you serious? He really hit her head? Holy shit, where did you hear that??? Jesus, Olmos, be careful with the girl, please!

I'm thinking that would be the nail in her metaphorical coffin, right? Reinforce that it's a Cylon trick.

You think it would reinforce that it was a cylon trick? I don't know, IMO it would be pretty good evidence that they were telling the truth if they were risking being airlocked to come clean. But you may be right about your interpretation and my Kara love might be blinding me a bit again. I'll have to rewatch a little more carefully.

I'm with you on loving the send-off for Lee, but they could have cut this scene, imo.

Yes, definitely, and if they really wanted the final send-off to be an actual surprise, then that's yet another reason to have cut out the earlier party scene where everyone clearly loves on Lee Adama.

Do you think Kara thought she was going to die, at least possibly?

Yeah, absolutely. I don't think Lee knew that, but just look at her face when he wishes her luck on her journey. Her broken smile says, "If only I were getting a chance to go on it."

Adama did hug her back! And gave Helo a "you hear that? Not losing her again. Watch her back," look.

I hope that's what it was, but I think a commenter below might disagree with you! :/

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96 tears: BSG[info]ninety6tears on April 13th, 2008 07:32 am (UTC)
Aw, it's fantastic to see that someone else has been analyzing the kiss scene as deeply as I've been. It was so wonderfully done. I especially loved how Kara was trying to hold everything in and she loses it at the exact moment that Lee is turning around and she can't see his face anymore.
Thank you for the lovely spam :)
Jo[info]canadiangirl_86 on April 13th, 2008 07:20 pm (UTC)
...and she loses it at the exact moment that Lee is turning around and she can't see his face anymore.

Aw, I love the idea that looking at his face, in his eyes, is what allows her to keep it together.
[info]disturbed_muse on April 13th, 2008 07:40 am (UTC)
IMO it was another Emmy moment for Katee, but I'm biased.

Then we're all pretty damn biased. Katee Sackhoff is amazing. Hands-down, bloody brilliant.

Thanks for the pretty picspam. Racetrack doesn't get nearly enough love.
Jo[info]canadiangirl_86 on April 13th, 2008 07:21 pm (UTC)
Racetrack doesn't get nearly enough love.

Haha, there weren't enough caps of her stripping, sorry! :P
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TimeTravellingBunny[info]boot_the_grime on April 13th, 2008 08:15 am (UTC)
So you believe that Gaius must be awful in bed because having sex with him made Kara think of Lee? What does that say about the way you think of Lee! LOL :D
Jo[info]canadiangirl_86 on April 13th, 2008 07:21 pm (UTC)
Hahaha...no, see, she had to think of Lee because Baltar was so DULL. See?? :P
jnsh1[info]jnsh1 on April 13th, 2008 11:35 am (UTC)
Remember in the Godfather part II, after the death of Michael's mother, when Michael reconciles with his brother Fredo (but obviously does not trust him) and then during the reunion hug gives "the look" to the bodyguard, and the bodyguard responds with the head shake. Well, look what happened to Fredo later.

Very much reminded me of the last scene when Adama is kind of hugging Kara and gives Helo the look, which Helo responds to with a nod and half smile. Might explain why Adama chose to reveal this type of deep feeling for Kara (I won't lose you again) in front of Helo. Whereas in the previous episode, when Adama wanted to have a frank emo conversation with Kara, he dismissed Helo in CIC. Maybe there is something more going on with letting Kara go off on this little mission than they are letting on.
vash137[info]vash137 on April 13th, 2008 02:58 pm (UTC)
Totally agree about the look. I definitely feel as though while Adama wants to trust her, he's also given Helo the mission of putting her down (literally) if she looks like a danger to the fleet (does anything else suspicious). Truthfully (and this is cold hearted of me), if Starbuck dies on a mission to fulfill her special destiny, he's going to have a much easier time explaining that to his son than they threw her out of an airlock. Not to say I don't think he really wants to believe her, but in his heart, he is clearly unsure.

Also, of all of the characters, Adama knows he can trust Helo to do the right thing. Whatever that turns out to be.

I also think it's interesting that he's sending Anders out with Kara. It can't be his desire to keep families together, as it seems he's sending Helo away indefinitely, and Helo has a wife and baby. So I wonder if this is also another way to get a potential source of trouble (due to Anders being Kara's wife) off of the ship as well. At the same time, presumably, Anders would defend his wife in crunch time. The crew choice, as I see it, really also shows how conflicted Adama is.

Nuff said.
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Em Meredith: bsg - roslin/kara throwdown[info]em_meredith on April 13th, 2008 12:05 pm (UTC)
Oh, Family Adama. Plz get yer shit together, kthx!

SO SAY WE ALL!

This was awesome. I have been feeling no desire to write a review of the episode because everyone else's have been so great. But you get bonus points for including pretty pictures. OMGPILOTKISSING.
Jo[info]canadiangirl_86 on April 13th, 2008 07:25 pm (UTC)
LOL, I don't blame you for not wanting to review (though I would LOVE to read it!) because this took a LONGASS time to write.

OMGPILOTKISSING.

IKNOWOMG.
Zoi: bsg-tigh[info]3gomez on April 13th, 2008 12:09 pm (UTC)
Yay!I love picspams!And pilots!And pilot-picspams!
So that was pretty much the best.post.ever.

About Angeli.IMO,he is not that bad,in general.'Six of One' was well-writen I believe,and for some reason,I really really liked 'The Son Also Rises'.Mayby it's because I think of Romo Lampkin as one of the best guests in the show,ever,but I thought of TSAR as a good,solid ep.
So I came to the same conclusion as you,that Angeli has trouble with certain characters and should therefore STOP WRITING ABOUT HELO.There,I said it. *hides head*

What can I say about Six Of One?Katee was frakkin unbelieveble and the episode was overall really emotional.
I liked it very much.

Although I am usually a pessimist,I wasn't that depressed about the K/L scene...but after reading so many comments about the 'goodbye' aspect of it,I'm starting going doooown.
The way I originally saw it,the scene was about a temporary separation(probably for the rest of the first part of season 4 *sigh*)but I never thought it was the last we saw of them EVER.The situation seems pretty unresolved to me and with so few people left alive,it's hard for me to picture that those two will never meet again...


And that was pretty large for a first post in your journal.
*Sorry*
Jo[info]canadiangirl_86 on April 13th, 2008 07:28 pm (UTC)
I agree. Angeli's definitely got some work to do but I think he seems to get most of the characters and their motivations. How he goes about illustrating that isn't always wonderful, but points for effort!

I wasn't a huge fan of Lampkin, though, so maybe I should rethink that. :P

...but after reading so many comments about the 'goodbye' aspect of it,I'm starting going doooown.

Aw, don't go dooooown. Hold onto your optimism, because we need more people like you! And I agree that it was more of a temporary separation than anything else, it's just the nature of their lives and the universe they live in doesn't guarantee anything. That's what makes it more sad, I think.
[info]tesla29 on April 13th, 2008 02:07 pm (UTC)
beautimous. just lovely, and thank you. great thoughts.

totally agree with your feelings re: Mary McDonald. she is not of this world! love love love her and what she brings to our BSG.


A lot of people have been talking about whether this scene was "closure" and a "goodbye" and in many ways, yes, it was.

i'm one of the scaredy cats, and appreciate your calming influence...i think i mostly start to itch thinking about how he's LEAVING her and how it feels completely counterintuitive, and how it so flies in the face of what we know of Lee.

Maybe neither of them believes they have even a chance of having a future together.

right, because if the gods you've been so careful to be true to bring you back from the dead, you damn well better stick with your vows, no matter your love for another man.

i smell resignation in the scene, almost more than angst.

All you need to know when watching them here is that they have reaffirmed their bond and the fact that they love each other unconditionally. That's all that matters.

true. they are grownups now. LOOK OUT.

;)

tesla
Jo[info]canadiangirl_86 on April 13th, 2008 07:29 pm (UTC)
i think i mostly start to itch thinking about how he's LEAVING her and how it feels completely counterintuitive, and how it so flies in the face of what we know of Lee.

I understand what you're saying here, and I'm having the same trouble. But I think we need to go with the story at this point and trust that we're heading in the right direction. Lee is compelled to follow his destiny just as much as Kara is, and they understand that about each other which is what is so wonderful about their scene. But it's still extremely difficult to see him walk away from her.
maclau: bsg kara thrace[info]maclau on April 13th, 2008 02:10 pm (UTC)
i liked your review!
absolutely my thoughts on the kiss scene, so very sweet.
LOL at Kara Thrace and her special destiny goes on tour!!
I think its first single is "I saw Earth" remix edition.

LOL!

Edit: My english+spelling sucks today, sorry!

Edited at 2008-04-13 02:18 pm (UTC)
Jo[info]canadiangirl_86 on April 13th, 2008 07:30 pm (UTC)
I think its first single is "I saw Earth" remix edition.

Hee. Someone should make a fake CD cover.
dianora: bsg lee kara he believes her[info]dianora2 on April 13th, 2008 05:39 pm (UTC)
Great writeup and picspam!

However, my initial take on those words was that she was talking about the Final Five not harming their own. Sam, Tyrol, Anders, and Tory won't harm the humans.

That was my initial thought as well -- it's certainly possible the Cylons were misinterpreting the Hybrid.

The party scene was jarring for me, as well, especially that shot in your screencap of Anders laughing his ass off with some pilots. At least Lee seemed a bit subdued. It was all weird.

I liked this scene just fine, and I don't know why everyone's bitching about it. He deserves to get some freakin' praise for once! My poor emo kid. Let him have his moment!

Heeeeeee. Agreed. Though I would have been fine if they'd cut the cheesy audio flashbacks in the briefing room.

As for Lee and Kara using each other's full names in the brig scene, for me it was a callback to "Unfinished Business" with the true love declarations, but I don't know if that was intentional or not. Aside from that I tend to go with [info]indigo419's thought that it was merely to add a layer of formality.

They are both setting off on journeys that will change their lives and who knows who they will be at the end of it? That makes me all the more glad that they did have that affirmation of love and passion and belief, so that each one knows that the other will still have those feelings when their individual journeys once again cross paths.

OK, I think I just depressed myself with that. LOL. I'm going to miss those two. Sniff.
Jo[info]canadiangirl_86 on April 13th, 2008 07:35 pm (UTC)
Though I would have been fine if they'd cut the cheesy audio flashbacks in the briefing room.

Aw, but at least he was flashing back to Kara giving him props as CAG for once. *G*

As for Lee and Kara using each other's full names in the brig scene, for me it was a callback to "Unfinished Business" with the true love declarations, but I don't know if that was intentional or not.

Wow, I really like this take on it as well. So what they're saying is "I love you"? I like that. But also interesting that you think it was to add the distance of formality. I guess there are a multitude of different ways to interpret it. Maybe the podcast will answer some of our questions!

so that each one knows that the other will still have those feelings when their individual journeys once again cross paths.

Yes, yes, yes. If nothing else, they know they have each other's backs no matter what.
pixie.: [bsg] l & k // unquestionable love[info]slytherin_pixie on April 13th, 2008 09:16 pm (UTC)
However, my initial take on those words was that she was talking about the Final Five not harming their own. Sam, Tyrol, Anders, and Tory won't harm the humans.

This is exactly how I heard it, and I also agree with your feelings on the Cylon scenes being removed from the gritty reality of BSG. Hell, I agree with everything you said! Very nice to read such an articulate, insightful recap that says everything I was thinking and a whole lot more.

Thanks for the picspam too :D
Jo: in this together [kara/lee][info]canadiangirl_86 on April 15th, 2008 03:45 am (UTC)
Glad you enjoyed reading it! :)
DestructoGirl: Booth - popish icon.[info]ba4ever on April 14th, 2008 03:28 am (UTC)
Holy hell that was long. I wish I'd known you at the height of BTVS.

Sigh.

Anyhell. I thought of you during the kiss. I almost called you lol. But I figured you probably had a) no reception b) wouldn't pick up even if it was me :P.

So I didn't. But that kiss was definitely goodbye...but also this like foreboding. Just that sense of inevitability that they may never get that chance because they're always at different stages of their lives to be able to be in a good healthy relationship (not that I'm sure either of them is at this point..). But something so much more intimate in the way he kissed her face afterwards.

Hmm...about what you said about Sam trying harder. I dunno...it's kind of hard especially what she said to him last week. I think he's truly afraid because she's telling the truth. I mean she can pretend and play nice with Athena, but were they ever really friends? Does she ever really accept her? I never got that feeling. So he truly believes that if she found out she WOULD shoot him between the eyes. Then again the fear for their own lives is so much stronger than anything else right now. I don't know that he believes that Adama would ever really kill her anyway.

I also can't stand the starbase (or whatever). It's just...eh. I dunno and it just seems to forced (like ok, we need some more spacey sci-fi stuff here so let's write this storyline). Just doesn't interest me...then again we're both not sci-fi fans.

Um...what else. I think whether I love or hate Roslin...I dunno I guess Mary ALWAYS leaves an impression on me, whether good or bad - which means it's ALWAYS good, whether I agree with Roslin's actions or not. But Mary/Eddie scenes are ALWAYS so well done.

Also had no problem with the Lee happy vipery goodbye party. Although it might have been a LEETLE much. Like why didn't they just put him on a chair and raise him up and about lol. But I mean he was a good leader, and I think they all respected him a lot. But at the same time, I kind of wonder if him becoming a lawyer/government employee AND defending Gaius would really keep him as "popular" as he was/is. I just thought that a lot of people might feel betrayed is all. But yes, he does deserve an honourable goodbye, he did a lot for Galactica.
Jo[info]canadiangirl_86 on April 15th, 2008 03:57 am (UTC)
I love you and everything but NO I WOULD NOT HAVE ANSWERED. *G* I think I've rewatched that scene 10 billion times.

Hmm...about what you said about Sam trying harder. I dunno...it's kind of hard especially what she said to him last week.

Yeah, that's definitely also a factor. She essentially wrote him off first (though unknowingly) so it makes Sam's fear even more understandable.

I mean she can pretend and play nice with Athena, but were they ever really friends? Does she ever really accept her?

And this is why I've been even more disappointed with Helo. I know Kara wasn't exactly vouching for Athena all that outwardly, but she was sticking up for Helo and his questionable choices in her own Starbuck sort of way. You'd think he'd make a bit more of an effort. >:(

Like why didn't they just put him on a chair and raise him up and about lol.

I think they should have cut out the party and played the entire ep as Lee thinking no one much cared that he was leaving, and him walking onto the hangar deck to leave with this quiet sort of dignity and THEN surprise us all with everyone in their dress greys and a standing ovation. It would've been way more effective, IMO.
the secret canadian popstar of the internet: bsg: omg you guys. love you guys. omg.[info]pirateygoodness on April 14th, 2008 09:02 am (UTC)
Most of the thoughts on her babbling from the ep have focused on the words, "They will not harm their own" and it seems like most people have assumed that's a reference to the raiders choosing not to harm the Final Five (i.e. The raider that flipped around and called off the attack after identifying Sam). However, my initial take on those words was that she was talking about the Final Five not harming their own. Sam, Tyrol, Anders, and Tory won't harm the humans.

Really, is that the consensus? I haven't seen a lot of talk on my flist yet, but I find that interesting because I instinctively interpreted the Hybrids words as a reference to the humans choosing not to harm "their own," the Final Five. Because the members - they're not faceless randoms, like D'Anna Biers or Shelley Godfrey. They're not expendable people. They're people who have been there, with the humans, fighting against the cylons in their own right and earning places in the fleet, and I think that's telling.
Jo[info]canadiangirl_86 on April 15th, 2008 04:01 am (UTC)
Really, is that the consensus?

Well, I haven't read a HUGE amount of commentary on it but from the several that I've read that seems to be what everyone is assuming. But I think I love your interpretation even more. That's a really neat thought, and would also flow with the natural direction the show is flowing in.
Your perfect(ly insane) girl: Lucy Lawless[info]jadedshock on April 14th, 2008 01:28 pm (UTC)
Absolutely 100% agree with you on the awkwardness of the pilot party but I agree even moreso about the weirdness of Lee leaving Galactica just at the time where you think Kara needs him most.

But hopefully all will be well in the end. Thanks for a great picspam!
Jo: faith [kara/lee][info]canadiangirl_86 on April 15th, 2008 04:03 am (UTC)

But hopefully all will be well in the end.


I've got faith! Not much on this show happens without good reason. It's all connected. ;)
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Coell[info]coell on April 14th, 2008 06:27 pm (UTC)
Cool recap!
Jo: goodbye [lee/kara][info]canadiangirl_86 on April 15th, 2008 04:03 am (UTC)
Thanks!